The Ultimate Question

Are you saying that George Chuvalo and Cooper are better than Tyson ? If not then what ARE you saying ?

Larry Holmes wrote:Are you saying that George Chuvalo and Cooper are better than Tyson ? If not then what ARE you saying ?

Larry you cant have a intelligent convo with this guy.

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Tyson hands down.

I'm sorry but Tyson would just knock him out, end of story.

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That sounds a bit disrespectfull towards the skills of Ali but don't get me wrong I know Ali was one hell of a boxer !

Tyson was one hell of a erm.....Destroyer hehe.

I'm just saying the two styles primed aren't the same thing and Tyson would of over whelmed Ali and stoped him.

Who is George Chuvlo !

I think that Ali at 32 when he fought Foreman would have a much bigger chance to beat Tyson than at his so called prime before he was banned.
He was just so much more well rounded in boxing and much stronger and bigger.
To me this is a tie between those two sure Ali accomplished more but if they fought when they were both at their best it's hard to say who would win.
The big difference between the two is of course that Ali stayed great for a much longer time.

larry are u forgettin sonny liston? bigger puncher then foremen and he never hurt ali.
AND yeh im saying chuvlo was tougher then tyson because he has alot of heart hes never been knocked off his feet even against george foremen!
ALi was sent to prison thats how he lost his belt! he was in his prime so we didnt get to see alot of his prime.
Tyson's prime was only 30+ matches while ali's was like 40 matches fact is ali was more consistant then tyson.
i stil think ali would handle tyson.

He might or he might not but to say it would be easy is crazy.

If you look at the two Sonny Listons fight they are both controversial. In the first one I didnt really see Ali beating Liston to the punch. It was a pretty close fight and why he gave up is a mystery to me.

Liston a bigger puncher than George Foreman ? I can't really see how.

If cooper and chuvlo can give Ali problems so could Tyson.

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lol again u surprise me that u dont know the truth a bout that fight.
liston rubbed something into ali's eyes so he cudnet see anything for a round then when he knew he cudnet beat him fair he quit on his stool and liston was bigger puncher then foremen by a long short the guy knocked out someones teeth with a jab.
Everyone knows ali has weak points and ali has been caught alot of times with a nice left hook e.g. frazier and cooper knocked him down with it.
cooper had a nice left hook and ali been hit alot with hooks but only been down a few times by them this includes coopers knockdown.

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All what your saying is wrong or at best up for heavy debate. Ali only had problems with his eyes for a very short time. Rest of the fight was pretty equal though Ali had a small Edge.
And again how do you know who is the bigger puncher ? did you take a punch from any of them ?

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since when did this become a big debate? i thought this was over when reaper said, "dont ask stupid questions"

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sterlihalla wrote:lol again u surprise me that u dont know the truth a bout that fight.
liston rubbed something into ali's eyes so he cudnet see anything for a round then when he knew he cudnet beat him fair he quit on his stool and liston was bigger puncher then foremen by a long short the guy knocked out someones teeth with a jab.
Everyone knows ali has weak points and ali has been caught alot of times with a nice left hook e.g. frazier and cooper knocked him down with it.
cooper had a nice left hook and ali been hit alot with hooks but only been down a few times by them this includes coopers knockdown.

Lol you been watching to many movies lmao.

its a fact it was discovered in the fight that liston rubbed something in his eyes and if u watch the fight u will see it.

sterlihalla wrote:its a fact it was discovered in the fight that liston rubbed something in his eyes and if u watch the fight u will see it.

I am not aruging that.

ali was the king of phsicological warfare tyson was a very unstable man mentally and with ali able to take alot of punishment, his hands speed would keep tyson of balance and clicnching abilty to lock him up on the inside...then wham tyson goes dorment losses the fight by ud

sterlihalla wrote:lol again u surprise me that u dont know the truth a bout that fight.
liston rubbed something into ali's eyes so he cudnet see anything for a round then when he knew he cudnet beat him fair he quit on his stool and liston was bigger puncher then foremen by a long short the guy knocked out someones teeth with a jab.
Everyone knows ali has weak points and ali has been caught alot of times with a nice left hook e.g. frazier and cooper knocked him down with it.
cooper had a nice left hook and ali been hit alot with hooks but only been down a few times by them this includes coopers knockdown.

yeah but bruno knocked out bugners teeth with a jab in the first round...does that make it that bruno hits harder and a better puncher thanm liston and foreman?

different punches man liston had maybe the hardest jabs of all time...but to say that he was a harder puncher than foreman

and the left hook theory well he can get dropped but the men who dropped him was joe frazier....the left hooking supreme and henry cooper british left hooking sensation enry's ammer had knokced out hte best.

to say he was weak to left hook is wrong it's the man driving it these to men are maybe the finest left hookers.