the Fatny fixes

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 19/11/2010 19:32:39

Jab --> make a bit stronger
Right hand --> make a lot weaker

I've only played a handful of fights in the current version but i think it's safe to say you're better off not throwing jabs - AT ALL - and just throw right hands instead. Right hands are one of the easiest punches to land and if you throw it while your opponent throws a jab, you'll take like 2% damage and he'll take 50%.

Throw a right hand while your opponent is leaning, that's more than 50%, land two and you've got a ko.

I'm also not a big fan of how every single jab makes the other guy freeze and stop moving, i think it removes a lot of the fluidity of the game even if it might be more realistic, but that's more of a preference thing (whereas the jab and right hand power mentionned above is a balance issue).

- Fatman

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 19/11/2010 20:16:34

Just to test and illustrate this we boxed so here is an example match Fatny and I just did

http://www.onlineboxing.net/start?id=790317

you forgot stamina fatny. I watched your fights and you got 0 stamina in the 3th round. Same happen to me if i throw all punches like i want. So you are forced to save stamina and that takes the action out of the game.
I think this is important to mention.

This message was edited 6 times. Last update was at 20/11/2010 06:37:28

Fatny, these are not fixes, but a completely new version. And they are so drastic that they would course an avalanche of complaints from other players. On top of that, more stamina like Redneck proposes, I can't even imagine how the gameplay would be.

What I like about the game now is that there is no apparent overpowered move. Like Perma Lean, or Perma Jab..You have to mix it all together. Sure you could say right cross is pretty strong, but it's also pretty easy to defend against, UNLIKE a real powerful jab.

Jab should not do as much damage because it is a lot easier to land than cross and travel with about the speed of light compared to cross.

Sure if you start using your cross as a "jab" you will run into stamina problems.

When jab was a lot stronger, fights became jab fests. There was rarely any reason to throw a cross because it would be just too dangerous.

"Throw a right hand while your opponent is leaning"...Lean less then.

Concerning stamina..I think we need to make up our minds..either there IS stamina or there isnt. IF there is such a parameter, it should also have some sort of effect. And I dont mean that you would be slightly tired in round 10 after spamming 2000 punches a round.
It seems like Unstop has found a perfect balance. Even though he throws a lot of punches, he always has stamina left in the tank, because of his ssr (stamina save round).

It's really complex to balance things, and I dont think anyone would ever agree on settings.

I think it should stay as it is, until players have found out how to play with the current settings.

It was a little stupid of me to let people know that settings could even be altered, now everyone wants me to change settings every other week.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 20/11/2010 06:16:04

I agree with Mikkel and Redneck .

Also I think that these settings give fighters the widest range of strategies possible. I tried to use a lot (a lot) of defense in my fights but that strategy is useless against skilled fighters. Now I use many right hands but you have to be very precise with them because stamina do run out very fast. So that results in precise and tactical fights. Settings are tuned really GREAT.

Fatny, you are a great fighter. I think that you should fight more.

With all respect Mikkel amount of damage done by right hand is disproportional to other punches and in general just too high. It will lead to less action in the ring and more KO hunting by people spending entire rounds trying to land a single punch while not really boxing but just defending. This especially in later rounds. Just the optimal tactics. Combination of payout being very high and propability being good makes it optimal tactic.

Since right hand does such a huge amount of damage it is very important to have high stamina, in order to be able to recover, in the case your opponent manages to land one. Just to maintain that high stamina you attack significantly less and spend significant amount of time doing nothing but defending and avoiding the fight. Since you are doing that and since you get lot of points by flooring your opponent and since right hand does such horrible amount of damage, it now makes sense to do pretty much nothing else than try to set up that right hand punch all the time. End result is very boring fights.

Mikkel wrote:It's really complex to balance things, and I dont think anyone would ever agree on settings. everyone wants me to change settings every other week.

While I don't know anything about the gameplay, I can agree that this is accurate and unfortunate

I'm sure everyone will work out some agreement anyway.

Mikkel wrote:Fatny, these are not fixes, but a completely new version. And they are so drastic that they would course an avalanche of complaints from other players. On top of that, more stamina like Redneck proposes, I can't even imagine how the gameplay would be.

What I like about the game now is that there is no apparent overpowered move. Like Perma Lean, or Perma Jab..You have to mix it all together. Sure you could say right cross is pretty strong, but it's also pretty easy to defend against, UNLIKE a real powerful jab.

Jab should not do as much damage because it is a lot easier to land than cross and travel with about the speed of light compared to cross.

Sure if you start using your cross as a "jab" you will run into stamina problems.

When jab was a lot stronger, fights became jab fests. There was rarely any reason to throw a cross because it would be just too dangerous.

"Throw a right hand while your opponent is leaning"...Lean less then.

Concerning stamina..I think we need to make up our minds..either there IS stamina or there isnt. IF there is such a parameter, it should also have some sort of effect. And I dont mean that you would be slightly tired in round 10 after spamming 2000 punches a round.
It seems like Unstop has found a perfect balance. Even though he throws a lot of punches, he always has stamina left in the tank, because of his ssr (stamina save round).

It's really complex to balance things, and I dont think anyone would ever agree on settings.

I think it should stay as it is, until players have found out how to play with the current settings.

It was a little stupid of me to let people know that settings could even be altered, now everyone wants me to change settings every other week.

i understand your point here mikkel. If you change anything there will be a new line of players that are unsatisfied with the changes. I was one of the players that complained about stamina but now i think you are right. Dont change anything. This are the best settings we have since all the changes took place and we should be allright with them and get used to them.
I remember the time when everytime you started OB there were new setting-changes and that nearly destroyed OB because everyone was confused. And due to this i changed my mind now regarding to setting-change.
You cant make it comfortable for everyone and this settings are fair for every player.

Fuck stamina Mikkel!

and dont forget to add super powers like fireballs and spears!

IMO the Jab is fine and the right straight is ok. The Hook is still a little bitstronger and id say just use the right straight more and defend your head better. These settings gives me a tougher challenge and it will only make me improve in the long run.

Surj wrote:Fuck stamina Mikkel!

and dont forget to add super powers like fireballs and spears!

Seconded. I want a hadouken and/or lightsaber.

how about a special attack where you can summon a tornado that uses a light saber

Other weapon ideas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 21/11/2010 15:03:28

I like the current settings. Amen.
Take a look at this fight, Boon vs Trpche today: http://www.onlineboxing.net/start?id=790648
The jab won me the fight.

The settings arent to bad. I do notice alot of players are over using the right hand. But thats up to them. I just pop 3 or 4 jabs and try to defend a bit better.